Ans. do u think krisha behav unfairly with karna?????
i read mrutunjay n i found tht whterv hapen at d tim last war with karna was unfair, n think krishna was responsible 4it, i dnt hav whol in4mation, so cn u tel me y krishna told Arjuna 2break d rules of war?????? n if he wer god dn y Karna was target 2suffer only, cud Arjuna suffer same situation if he needed 2fase, i dnt think so

Ans. Shree Krushna
Karna is great, Mahabharata shows us good things and bad things.
And in the whole Mahabharatha only Karna the right man was at wrong side, due to his words given to Duryodhana (Promised of his friendship), just take a look in the Karna's life, what a suffering life he lived, it teaches us to live a life with honestly n honorly.

every happened things have there own reasons and reason is Lord Krushna

Ans. no not at all ...
Adi, If you have read about the Mahabharat war you will come to know that Pandavas were negligible compared to Kauravas.... Intellectually if you will think then it was quite impossible for Pandavas to win the war..The only reason they could win the was due to Lord Krishna i.e. they were in righteous (Dharma) side..

Lord Krishna told Arjun to kill Karna because he was at unrighteous (Adharma) side.. Dont forget that Krisna gave chance to Karna to come to Dharma side, but it was Karna's bondage with Adharma which led him to death..

With Karna's example we should learn that no matter how good you are if you are at Adharma no one will protect you..

Also one more thing not only in Karna's death but also Duryodhana, jarasandh, jayatrath death Lord Krishna behaved with adharma.. Shri Krishna shows here that to sustain Dharma it is ok if you behave with Adharma..And being lord he was the one who was originator of Dharma.. Because then if Dharma is not there on earth then everything will finish up..

If Krishna would have spared Karna then it would be victory of Duryodhan and eventually victory of Adharma and there would not be any more Dharma on earth..

In Vedas it is said "Dharmo Rakshati Rakshataha".. Means if you protect Dharma .. Dharma will eventually protect you ..otherwise everything will be destroyed ...

Ans. 11/18/2006 9:40 PM I guess there was 18 aukshouni sena from Kauravas side .. and from Pandavas side I donno..but it was negligible comparing to Kauravas..

Yes indeed for Lord Krishna every one are equal...With law of Karma, and principles of dharma you get in return what you do..
So Karna was at unrighteous side he got the fruit of it ..

I would rather say it was Lord Krishna's mercy that by saying Arjun to kill him he stopped Karna increasing his sins ..Also it was Karna's Bhagya that Lord Krishna was infornt of him during his death.

Also if you want to measure the depth of sea then the rope which you are using for measurement should be longer than depth. So considering this who are we to say that Lord Krishna was wrong..

Ans. I am Not yet satisfied with answers!
I think Aadi raises a very valuable question.

Sincerely for me, it suffices to say that because Sri Krishna did it, IT MUST BE RIGHT! I guess we should just accept it with Faith!!

Yes, indeed, just like "Kaante ko nikaalne ke liye Kaante ki zaroorat hoti hai" in order to preserve Dharma, one would probably need to fight Adharma by bending slightly the rules of Dharma!

But, I am really eager to listen to what is the explanation in Mahabharat.
If someone has read this in Mahabharat, please share with us the exact explanation!

Thanks and Hari Bol...

Ans. Pankaj do you think that Lord Krishna can make injustice to any human being , creature , living, non-living things in this world?

Also Krishna being a Avataar himself how can be wrong in his actions?

Do you think in Dharma-Adhrama war Karna should have been spared though he was in unrighteous side ? Rather the whole Geeta was told to Arjun because he was hesitating to kill his own relatives..

It was Karna's ego that he did not wanted to come to Dharma side though Krishna had given him chance...it was due to bondage with Duryodhana.. Karna was very well aware that he is at unrighteous side..

It also tells us that emotions have got no values in Dharma and in spirituality... and if lord himself is your side then you are definately gonna win the war..


We should think at intellectual and spiritual level to this topic instead thinking at emotional level..

And definately Karna must have gone into upper lokas after his death due to his good deeds and his daanshur character. Also dont you think that Karna was fortunate that Lord Krishna was infront of him when he died..

These are just my views .. If I offended any one please forgive me

Ans. no, the answer is no, the explanation is:
karna may be because of his nature of kshatriya samskara might be inclined towards getting a respectable position in society but that is not the ultimate goal of life, even then he got the kingdom from duryodhana it is his responsibillity to teach duryodhana about the things which are reallly useful to him,as in the case of vibhishana who left his own brother with whom he has been staying for long time , but he had not supported ravana in the case of sitha, because that is not right.

here too, karna shud have known the dharma sutra that one must leave anyone for the sake of getting gods grace. here in the case, though karna thought that what he did for duryodhana was for his happiness, he had forgot the principle that one should go for the things which are really right, useful and happy, but not the only happiness by doing the wrong things too,just because for the sake of happiness of duryodhana he teased pandavas,tortured drowpadi,etc...all these activities added bad karma to his account , though he might have added some amount of punya because of his dana guna, it does not mean that the amount of bad karma that he got by troubling the pandavas can be taken away , he might have gone to the higher planes for his good works but he was punished for the bad things that he had done,being killed in the war does not mean that they are bad,and they last everything, see bhishma also died but he has got mukti , abhimanyu died and he went to higher planes, karna died he too went to higher planes but after getting the punishment in naraka(u can see that dharmaraja met karna s soul also when he went to naraka for a moment:refer swargarohan parva, inf act all the pandavas went to naraka , all depends upon the activities done ,

so, everyone gets results for the things they did,even though most of the people who supported pandavas might have lived there after, they did not get mukti which is that ultimate goal which was got by bhishma though he supported duryodhana,it is

Ans. CONTINUED just after suffering of lot of things in life for him, because of the bad karma done by him in the earlier janma, but for the things that he did in the present janma he got the ultimate blessings from krishna,

so there is never ever any injustice to any one is done by srikrishna in the world , in fact one has to show lot of gratitude towards god for giving the great chance for achieving the higher goals by giving the life of human , the person who follows the exact guide lines of krishna will succeed in getting them, that s all

Ans. Thanks Somnath!
Hari Bol...Somnath. Thanks for your response.

BTW...I think I conveyed ny nessage incorrectly. I am More than 100% sure that what Krishna did was ABSOLUTELY The Right Thing and I am no one to ever doubt it!
Its just that, for all of us to get (or atleast attempt to) the true knowledge, we should try to explore the real explanations of this (and such other acts) which from our perspective look not very right.

One other similar incident was when Sri Ram killed Sugriv's brother Bali. From our little knowledge, it may look not very good...but, deep inside there will be a just explanation to it!

So, lets try to dig into the real knowledge.
Thats all I am asking.

And thanks to all the great posts by all you devotees...its so nice to read everyone's opinions.

HARI BOL...

Ans. Pankaj I misinterpreted your post..I apologige for that ..and I agree with you..

@ickru.. It was not the soft corner towards Arjun that Sri Krishna took weapons in hand.. If you remember Bhishma also was Sri Krishna Bhakta. It was his Pratigya which bounded him to Hastinapur Sinhasan.

Bhishma had challenged Shri Krishna that he will make him to take the weapons in hand during the war .. Just to satisfy Bhishma and his challenge Sri Krishna took weapon in Hand ... It was his preeti towards his devotee Bhishma that he satisfied his wish by doing that action.. This shows if you are devotee of Shri Krishna then he will satisfy your needs even to the extent that he can break his resolve... That is what we all experience in day to day life right ? He satisfies all our needs even we are not at all eligible to be his Devotee like Bhishma or Arjun..

Also Sri Krishna being Avataar he could have protected Arjun by other means also instead taking weapons in his hand...

Talking about Arjuna , he was Sri Krishna's favourite cause he was his Shishya and Sakha .. Arjun is the only example of who did Sakhya bhakti with his Guru..

It is said in Geeta, where there is dharma, Sri Krishna and neeti there will lakshmi, vijay and prosperity...

Ans. it was a curse by dronacharya
hey guys ....... as far as my knowledge goes karna belonged to the neech jaati and he got into dronacharya's camp saying that he belongs to brahmin clan .....and once when his guru was sleeping an insect bit him but he dint scream at all coz he never wanted to disturb his guru and when his guru saw the bleeding he asked him that a brahmin can never behave in this manner so he had to reveal his identity and he got a
CURSE FROM HIS GURU THAT HIS CHARIOT WUD SINK IN THE GROUND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WAR AND THOUGH HE IS A BRILLIANT WARRIOR HE WILL DIE WITHOUT FIGHTING HIS BATTLE ......... so krishan ji told arjun that he is destined to die that way u r just an intrument moreover he made arjun recall the whole draupadi incident where karan did not raise his voice against adharma

Ans. why krishan ji dint take weapons in his hand
and why krishan ji never took weapon in his hand ........ in his previous incarnation as ram ji ...... he fought like a complete warrior with ravan and won the battle so the asurs and surs complained that ram ji won coz he was god and ravan was a human being therefore god decided that in his next incarnation (avtaar) he wud not use the weapons himself...... so he acted as arjun's guide

Ans. yes Sanna .. agreed with Karna's story but the discussion here is going on that why Sri Krishna told Arjun to kill Karna even when he put down all his weapons to take off the chariot wheel from the ground, And he was not on his chariot that time...This was against the rules of the war as karna was weaponless that time..

Though Sri krishna promised he will not take weapon.. he once took the chariot wheels (or may be sudarshan chakra not sure) in his hands to fight with Bhishma when Arjun got uncoicious during war between Bhishma and Arjun...

Ans. Comparision Arjuna and Karna..
I am copying this from other group discussion.. Thought worth pasting here ..

If u see there are a few more comparisons between Arjuna and Karna where Arjuna seems to be the better.

1.Quest of divine weapons: Arjuna performs penances to Lord Shiva and acquires Pasupata astra and other divine weapons. Karna takes a short-cut instead and deceives Parashurama to learn the Brahmastra. Why did Karna not perform penances? Even Barbarik in a small age performed penances and became so powerful that none except Shri Krishna could defeat him.

2.Friendship: Though Arjuna is a devotee of Shri Krishna, he constantly cross questions him till he is not fully convinced about Bhagavad Geeta. Karna, however knowing that Duryodhana is wrong, supports him throughout his life.

3.Sons: There have been many discussions regarding Karna being deprived of mother\'s love. This however is not true. Radha loved Karna more than anything else. Karna is better known as Radheya. If at an age of about 80 years, Karna learns that his mother was somebody else, would that have made any difference to him. The boon he gives to Kunti about her sons\' protection is like just a Bheeksha offered to any other person.

4.Availability of things: Arjuna had to constantly struggle throughout his life to get his kingdom. On the other hand, Karna got the Anga kingdom as a friendship gift from Duryodhana.

5.Humiliation: The only humiliation Karna had to face all his life was that people called him a Sootputra inspite actually being not. But even the other people cannot be blamed as they were unaware of his true identity. Arjuna on the other hand had to live the life of a beggar Brahmin after the Lakshagraha incident and later as a dance-teacher and eunuch. He aslo had to bear the humiliation of Draupadi.

This is not intended to hurt any one. So no offense please..

Ans. Use your talents to uphold Dharma
Each one of us have special gifts given by God. These are to be used not to further our interests, but for the overall good. If you use it selfishly, you will pay for it.

Karna was an exceptional warrior. He used his gifts to further his self-interests (for the label of greatest Dhanurdhar and to repay his debt to Duryodhana - point to be noted is that he took this debt so he could fight Arjuna for the above mentioned title). The talents that he had were really God\'s own talents. He had no personal rights on those. So he got hit.

Even Arjuna had gone wrong similarly, and \"life\" treated him unfairly. Susharma challenged Arjuna, and Arjuna took the challenge despite knowing that in the interests of Dharma, he should be near Yudhishtra.

Result: he lost his son, Abhimanyu.u

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